Sept. 14, 2025
Oatmeal: Survival Food or Silent Killer?
Oatmeal has been called a breakfast staple, a heart-healthy superfood, and even a survival food that sustained generations. But what’s the real story behind this humble grain? In this episode of Chasing Eden: Natural Health God’s Way, Caroline Thompson uncovers the fascinating history of oatmeal, from its rise as a famine food in Europe to its modern status as a marketing darling of the food industry.We’ll explore both sides of the oatmeal debate: is it an affordable, fiber-rich food that supports heart health, or is it a gut-irritating, blood sugar-spiking grain filled with lectins and antinutrients? Featuring insights from leading voices like Dr. Eric Berg, Dave Asprey, Gary Brecka, Dr. Ardis, Dr. Barbara O’Neill, and Dr. Steven Gundry, this episode digs into whether oatmeal is fueling your health—or silently draining your energy.We’ll also talk about the role of lectins in oats, the dangers of glyphosate contamination, and how traditional preparation methods like soaking and sprouting may transform this ancient food into something far more digestible. If you’ve ever wondered whether oatmeal belongs in your diet, this episode may change the way you look at your breakfast bowl forever.oatmeal history - is oatmeal healthy - oatmeal lectins - dr eric berg oats - dave asprey oatmeal - gary brecka breakfast myths - dr ardis food deception - dr barbara oneill oats - dr gundry lectins - oatmeal gut health - survival foods podcast - chasing eden podcastSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Welcome back to Chasing Eden, Natural Health, God's Way. I'm
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your host, Carolyn Thompson. Today we're going to stir up
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a little controversy over something many of us grew up
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eating for breakfast, oatmeal. Now, for some people, oatmeal is
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a comfort food. It's hearty, it's warm, and it feels healthy.
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For others, oatmeal is seen as a little more than
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a blood sugar spiking grain, filled with anti nutrients and
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leuctins that may do more harm than good. So what's
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the truth and how did humans even start eating oatmeal
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in the first place. Was it a staple of survival
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or a carefully chosen and food? And in today's health
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conscious world, is oatmeal still worth putting on your table?
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So today we're going to dig into the history of
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humans eating oats, why oats became important during times of scarcity,
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the modern debate over whether oatmeal is harmful or healthful.
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Expert insights from doctor Berg, Dave Astbury, Gary Brecca, doctor Artists,
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doctor Barbara O'Neil, and doctor Gundry The issue of luctins
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in oats and whether they're a deal breaker, as well
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as the nutritional value that oates might offer depending on
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how you prepare and eat them. So let's get into it.
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So here's a brief history of oatmeal. Oats are a hearty,
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cereal grain part of the grass family that originally grew
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in your and Asia, and unlike wheat and barley, oats
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were considered a weed for much of human history. They
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weren't cultivated on purpose until around three thousand years ago.
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So I want to stop here just for a second
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in comment, because I watch a health a guy that's
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into healthy stuff and he's pretty well known, especially on YouTube,
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and he has health products out there, and I've been
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watching him for about oh thirteen years. His name's Marcus
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roth Kranz, and he actually had a video many years
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ago that he made then it went viral in Europe,
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I believe in Germany, and it was all about how weeds,
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things that we call weeds that we want to kill,
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actually are really they're like superfoods. They're full of healthy ingredients.
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And his point was that because weeds were able to
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survive excruciating circumstances in the soil and still come up
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through you know, harsh winters and super hot, you know
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hot summers, that they were actually healthy. They actually had
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ingredients in them that were good for us. And he
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did a video where he showed himself walking out in
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his robe in the morning and grabbing some weeds and
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chewing on them and eating them, taking them in the
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house and grinding them up in the blender and turning
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them into a smoothie. Well, now he's got this health
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show that he does along with some really some products
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I really like. So I just wanted to point that
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out because oftentimes we think of weeds as being a
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bad thing. So, however you look at oatmeal, it could
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whether it was considered a weed or not. Just know
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that weeds aren't necessarily bad for you. So we know
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they were cultivated intentionally around three thousand years ago for
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the reason being because they're tough. They thrive in poor soil,
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cold climates, and wet ground where wheat struggles. This made
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oats incredibly valuable in Northern Europe, especially in places like
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Scotland and Ireland where they had the potato famine they
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call it. Now we can argue this as well. And
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I don't want to get on a side trip here,
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but I do want to point out that in one
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of Dave Aspury's videos that he does, which I think
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is kind of funny. He says, oatmeal pisses me off.
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And then he proceeds and I'm paraphrasing to talk about
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how we were never supposed to have oatmeal, how it
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was actually for livestock, and that it's basically peasant food,
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that's what he called it. And he was explaining and
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again I'm paraphrasing that, because the king was taking all
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of the meat and I don't know if he was
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shipping it out or what he was doing with it,
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the people were forced to go eat with the livestock
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ate they were forced to eat the animal food, which
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was oats. So when this history also talks about that,
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you know, when other grains fail, oats have a tendency
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to survive. So whether humans are eating them or animals
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or eating them, they're really hearty food. They they're easy
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to grow, and they're they're easier to come by. So
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for communities living through cold winters in scarce harvests, oats
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became a lifeline for them. Porridge, oat cakes, and eventually
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oatmeal became stables in their diet, not because they were
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seen as superfoods, but because they were cheap, filling and
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available when little else was available. Doctor Barbara O'Neill often
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reminds her audience quote, throughout history, people didn't always eat
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what was best for them, They ate what was available, unquote,
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and oatmeal for centuries was just that it was a
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survival food. So imagine living in seventeenth centuries Scotland. The
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soil is rocky, the climate is harsh, and wheat often fails. Oats, however,
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grow reliably. Families would grind them into meal, mix them
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with water, and cook into porridge or oatcakes. This wasn't
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a matter of taste preference, it was survival. So during famines, wars,
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in poor harvest years, obviously, oats often became the alternative
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grain that kept people alive when other food sources were scarce.
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Oatmeal also had another benefit, and this is huge because
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of the climate and the seasons. It was easy to
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store oat groats could be dried and ground, it could
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keep for months at a time, and it provided a
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pretty reliable source of calories. So oatmeal entered the human diet,
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not necessarily lately as a delicacy, but as a practical,
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reliable fallback food. So now there's this debate on social
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media It's been going on for a while about oatmeal,
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and you may or may not have heard of doctor Gundry,
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and you may or may not understand the lectins in
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the plant foods that can oftentimes attack our stomach, lighting
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and causes all kinds of digestive issues. So today oatmeal
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sits at the center of a big health debate. The
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pro oat camp says mainstream dieticians and food companies, they
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will tout oatmeal as a heart healthy superfood. Oats are
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high and beta GLUECN, a type of soluble fiber that
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may help lower LDL cholesterol. They're also affordable, accessible, and versatile.
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And I just want to point out another wonderful thing
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about oats that I learned. Oats also make a great
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facial They're incredible to help reduce the appearance of wrinkles.
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And it's super easy to make a mask with warm
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water and oats and stirred up and smart all over
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your face and then when it drives, you wipe it
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off and you'd be amazed. So they also have another
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wonderful benefit like that. So the argument goes, oatmeal is nourishing,
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It keeps you full, it helps digestion, and may support health.
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This is what the pro oat camp is saying, and
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this is also what a lot of dieticians and food
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companies will say about oatmeal now. In the anti oat camp.
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On the other side, many natural health experts warn that
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oats are problematic. They point out that oats are they're
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high lectins and anti nutrients that can irritate the gut,
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their carbohydrate heavy, which may spike blood sugar and insulin,
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and oftentimes oatmeal is contaminated with glyphasate. The herbicide roundup
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in case you're not familiar with it, is also called glyphasate.
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So since oats are commonly sprayed before harvest, they're gonna
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have a lot of glaphysate in them. So this site
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argues oats are not the nutrient dense food they're made
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out to be, and for many people, they may actually
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harm your health. So doctor Berg, who I really love
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and respect, he says this about the impact of grains
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on insulin resistant He has said this quote. Oatmeal is
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marketed as heart healthy, but for many people it's a
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blood sugar bomb. If you're insulin resistant, oats may keep
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you tired and craving carbs. He points out that while
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oats have some fiber. They also raise insulin significantly, especially
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instant oats. Okay, so I'm going to stop here for
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a second. Say this. I had a friend over here
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a few weeks ago and she went to a dietician
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because she was finding out that she had blood sugar problems.
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And I'm not sure if she was diagnosed with diabetes
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or not. She put an insulin patch on temporarily she
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wanted to track her insulin spikes. And she did say
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that oats when she had oatmeal, she had a spike.
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So and I'll say personally, if I start my day
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with a bowl of oatmeal, it does seem like I'm
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hungry all day long. But I do love oatmeal. I
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have to say that I love oatmeal, so I still
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eat it on occasion. I don't fully I'm not totally
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against it. I'm not necessarily for it or against it. Now,
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Dave Aspbury, you may know him as the founder of
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Bulletproof Coffee. He doesn't mince words at all. So this
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is what he says. Quote, oatmeal is not a superfood.
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It's a cheap, high carb filler with anti nutrients that
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don't serve your biology. If you want stable energy oats
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aren't the way unquote, Asbury warns about the glacistate contamination
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and conventional oats which may disrupt gut bacteria and hormones. Now,
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Gary Breca, he's a human biologist who's well known on
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social media. He's known for breaking down health in simple
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biological terms, and he says this quote. Odes contain phytates
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and lectins, compounds that bind to minerals like zinc and iron,
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making them harder to absorb. So while you may think
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you're getting nutrients, your body may not actually be able
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to use them. Unquote. Doctor Artists, he likes to put
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his opinion in there as well. I don't know if
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you're familiar with him, but he's got a website Doctor
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Artist's Show, and he's pretty well known for talking about
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nicotine and the benefits of nicotine. If you're interested in that,
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I also have a podcast on that. Doctor Artists often
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highlights the deceptions in food marketing, and so this is
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what he said. Quote. The food industry sold oatmeal as
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a health food because it's cheap to produce, not because
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it's truly optimal for the human body. Doctor Barbara O'Neil.
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I don't know if you're familiar with her, But she
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was actually kicked out of her country, which I believe
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is Australia during I believe it was during the COVID
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year because she was speaking out about the way it
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was being handled. Doctor O'Neil takes a pretty balanced approach.
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She acknowledges the lectins and potential irritants in oats, but
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also notes that preparation does matter. So this is what
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she says. Quote. If oats are properly soaked, sprouted, or fermented,
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many of the anti nutrients break down, making them far
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more digestible. Now, I will say this, I'm a big
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fan of Jordan Ruben, and in the early years when
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his books were first coming out and he was starting
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his company, Garden of Life, one of his books talked
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about putting water in your oatmeal with a teaspoon of
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yogurt and stirring it up and putting it in the
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refrigerator overnight as a way of pre digesting the oatmeal.
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And I will say this, I have done that on
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occasion since, and I do believe that I can digest
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and absorb the oatmeal better. I can actually feel it.
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The difference in the way that I feel after I
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eat it this way. So I really believe if you're
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going to consume oatmeal, if you love oatmeal, this is
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the way to do it. Like doctor Barbara O'Neil says,
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properly soaked, sprouted or for minute now. Doctor Stephen Gundry,
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he's a pretty controversial guy. I don't know if you
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go to YouTube or not, but I've seen a lot
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of his commercials and advertisements talking about lectins. He has
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his book, and a lot of people swear by this
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approach to eating that it's healed their gut. I have
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a friend who looks amazing. She lost a bunch of
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weight following the Gundry diet and really really advocates advocates
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for it. Doctor Gundry is famous for his work on
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lectins and he's one of the strongest critics critics of oats.
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So this is what he says. Quote oats contain lectins
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that irritate the gut lining and drive inflammation. Even gluten
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free oats can cause problems because it's not just gluten,
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it's the luctins and avenin proteins Unquote. According to Gundry,
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for people with leaky gut autoimmune issues or chronic inflammation,
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oats can make things worse. So the lectin question. What
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are luctins and why are they such a big deal? Well,
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lectins are proteins that are found in many plants, designed
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as a defense mechanism against pests. In humans, luctins combine
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to the gut lining, potentially causing irritation or permeability what's
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often called leaky gut. Oats contain a specific lectin like
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protein called avenin. While not identical to gluten, it can
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cause similar reactions in sensitive individuals. Doctor Gundry and others
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argue that lectins and oats are one reason why some
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people experience bloating, digestive discomfort, or autoimmune flare ups after
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eating oatmeal, but others say the problem can be mitigated.
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Traditional preparation methods soaking, fermenting, sprouting help break down lectins.
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In vitates making oats gentler on the gut. Now, I
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like a more balanced approach to this, because I believe
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I had leaky gut at one point. I think if
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you have digestive problem, even if you don't, it's better
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to take this preparation approach soaking your oatmeal. I really
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like the Jordan Ruben approach where he just puts like
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a half a cup of water in there with a
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teaspoon of yogurt, stirs it up, cover it up, put
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it in the fridge overnight, and the next morning. Now
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you have helped to predigest those oats and take away
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the negative digestive effects on the body. That helps break
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down the luctins, and it also helps you to absorb
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the nutrients in the oats if you really want to
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eat them. So the nutritional value of oats can be
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somewhat controversial things. Some people say, yes, it's got a
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lot of they have a lot of nutrients. Other people
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say no, they don't. And so far you can tell
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that if you really want to benefit from the nutrients
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of the oats, you probably want to take on one
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